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Kilmarnock228

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Incorrect Green Ember Quotes 2

Probably about time for a new one of these threads.


Heyward: "I am going to need a wolf skull. Do not ask why."

Heyna: "Only if you also do not ask why."

Heyward: Pulls seven pristine wolf skulls from a bag. "Take your pick."

Heyna: "...This one will do."

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Kilmarnock228
Kilmarnock228
2 days ago

Weezie: Uncle Helmer, am I ugly?

Helmer: Nonsense! I'm looking at you right now, and you're the most beautiful doe in the world!

Picket: Master, am I ugly?

Helmer: Very much.

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Favorite Character from each individual book!

I'm not asking for your overall favorite character, I'm asking for your favorite character for each individual book.... Not in the context of the other books, but that one specifically!!


Here are my current ones (I say current cause, you know, when I read 'em again I might change my mind) I'll do them in publication order:

The Green Ember: Maggie Weaver

The Black Star of Kingston: Jimmi Docker

Ember Falls: Heather Longtreader (not quite sure on this book)

The Last Archer: Jo Shanks


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I haven't read some of the side books in a while so I'm only going to list the the main books and the archer books, but here are my favorite characters. (Even though P.J. is awesome)


The Green Ember: Maggie Weaver

Ember Falls: Helmer

The Last Archer: Jo Shanks

Ember Rising: Weezie

The First Fowler: Jo Shanks

Ember's End: Smalls

The Archer's Cup: Cole


(I think we can all tell who Alempa's favorite character is!)

Kilmarnock228

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Hero Defeats of (Mostly) Named Villains

So developments in The Lost Legend got me to thinking about the various antagonists who have appeared and been defeated in the series by named hero characters. Thought it might be fun to go through and break the topic down. As a note, there will be SPOILERS for Helmer in the Dragon Tomb, both book and game.

A good number of named or significant antagonists are the only ones to have been defeated, and often slain, by a particular hero. Flint’s said to have defeated Firstfoe, but we don’t know much more than that. Mother Saramack may or may not have taken out the unsavory commander Usher. King Whitson is known to have slain a Grimble tribe captain named Forne. Lander, of course, was responsible for killing Namoz the Destroyer. And Emerson was responsible for taking out Falcowit, though with a bit of assistance.

Speaking of which, Kylen and Naylen…

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Ya Helmer totally wins this, and to add on that he's gonna have more books to himself to kill more baddies!

This does get me thinking about the other side, villian defeats of heros.

King Good's second son, ??????

So it says that Jupiter is King Walter Good's third son, and Bleston is his first son, but it doesn't say ANYTHING about his second son! It hints that there was a second son, because there is that gap between Bleston and Jupiter, but then the books act as if he never existed!


My greatest theory about this is that he died pretty young and so did nothing noteworthy, unlike his brothers and father.


I think this is interesting, so tell me your thoughts on this.

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Kilmarnock228
Kilmarnock228
May 27

I’d say the identification of Jupiter as the third son makes it clear that there was a second son. But as you say, we know literally nothing else about him. Except for that one reference, he is entirely absent from all the Green Ember wirks we have so far. That is, unless he has been a particularly forceful personality of the story and simply hasn’t been revealed to be Jupiter’s brother to us as yet.

As you say, it is quite possible that he died young, possibly before the whole succession dispute between his brothers came up. There’s certainly no indication that he was ever a contender for being named Walter’s heir. Helmer in the Dragon Tomb makes no mention of him either, with King Walter’s decline and Jupiter’s absence leaving those who address the subject fearful that Bleston would return from self-imposed exile and claim the throne without anyone to oppose him. It seems probable therefore that if Jupiter’s brother was alive, he wasn’t a forceful enough personality to oppose either those who opposed his father or a returning Bleston.

There are a few other possibilities that strikes me:

  • The second son may have sided with Bleston against their father and Jupiter and gone with Bleston when he left First Warren.

  • Jupiter’s brother may have had some fault or faults that, while not as great as Bleston’s, still made him unfit for rule. Perhaps he was a privileged brat who couldn’t be bothered with affairs of state so long or concern for his people so long as his own needs were being met.

  • The second son may have been somewhat like his distant uncle Lemual or future niece Emma, neither of whom wanted the responsibility of being the heir. But he never reached the crisis point that they did, and so wasn’t forced into the position of leadership.

  • A favorite theory of mine is that he may have been taken captive, and thus ended up as an anonymous slave under the Lords of Prey and been assumed dead. He may, however, have used this anonymity to assist the resistance to the Preylords in whatever location he happened to find himself in. Of course, this may be based on my interest in another fairly mysterious character in the Green Ember series: our friend the Commandant of Akolan.

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